Lecture | Event
Sat, Oct 14, 2017
9:00 am - 4:00 pm

The David Brower Center

2150 Alston Way
Berkeley, CA 94704
Mary Morgan
Shelley Nathans, Ph.D.
Ortal Kirson-Trilling, Psy.D.
CE Credits: 
Participant Limit: 

$210 General Public
$160 PCPG Members
$160 Full Members
$90 CMH Members
$90 Associate Members
$40 Student Members
$40 Scholarship Rate (prior approval required to register at this fee)

Tuition listed above is for early registration ($40 discount off full fee, $15 discount for NCSPP Student Members). For registrations received after the deadline, full tuition will be applied to all registrations.

Early Registration Deadline: 
September 30, 2017

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Complex and Creative: The Technique of Interpretation in Couple Psychoanalysis

Course Overview: 

NCSPP and PCPG (Psychoanalytic Couple Psychotherapy Group) are pleased to announce the 10th Anniversary of our Annual Psychoanalytic Couple Psychotherapy Lecture. This year, we are honored to host esteemed couple psychoanalyst from Tavistock Relationships, Mary Morgan, who will be focusing on technique in psychoanalytic couple psychotherapy. She will be addressing the complexities of what is meant by a “couple interpretation” and what can go wrong, including “incorrect” interpretations, problems with the timing of interpretations, and those involving unprocessed countertransference enactments. A particular focus will be given to the triangular nature of couple therapy and the way the therapist can move between the different relationships in the room, while holding a “couple state of mind.” Other kinds of interpretations will also be addressed, including those to the transference, countertransference, the couple’s projective system, unconscious beliefs, phantasy, symbols, and dreams. Following the presentation, Shelley Nathans will serve as interlocutor in conversation with Mary Morgan, and Ortal Kirson-Trilling will present a clinical case to Mary Morgan in the afternoon. 

Please join us at the end of the day for a wine and cheese celebration of our 10th anniversary!

Course Objectives: 
  • Participants will be able to describe the therapeutic purpose of interpretation to the couple.
  • Participants will be able to list two ways couple interpretations differ from interpretations in individual work.
  • Participants will be able to list three types of couple interpretations and their therapeutic aims.
Empirical Reference: 
  • An Object Relations Approach to the Couple Relationship: Past, Present and Future Couple and Family Psychoanalysis Vol 6, No. 2 Autumn 2016
  • What does ending mean in couple psychotherapy Couple and Family Psychoanalysis Vol 6, No. 1 Spring 2016

Mary Morgan is a psychoanalyst and couple psychoanalytic psychotherapist and a Fellow of the British Psychoanalytical Society. At Tavistock Relationships, she is Reader in Couple Psychoanalysis. She has published many papers on psychoanalytic work with couples and is currently completing a book entitled, A Couple State of Mind: Psychoanalysis of Couples – The Tavistock Relationships Model. She is a member of the IPA’s Family and Couple Psychoanalysis Committee, board member of the International Association for Couple and Family Psychoanalysis, and on the international advisory board of the journals Couple & Family Psychoanalysis and Interatzioni. She has developed and led couple psychotherapy trainings in several countries, lectures internationally, and has a private individual and couple analytic practice.


Shelley Nathans, Ph.D. is on the faculties of CPMC, PCPG, and PINC. She is the director/producer of the film Robert Wallerstein: 65 Years at the Center of Psychoanalysis. Her most recent publication is “Whose Disgust is it Anyway?: Projection and Projective Identification in the Couple Relationship” (Psychoanalytic Dialogues, 2016). She is co-editor (with Milton Schaefer) of Couples on the Couch: Psychoanalytic Couple Psychotherapy and the Tavistock Model (Routledge, 2017). Dr. Nathans is in private practice in both San Francisco and Oakland.

Case Presenter(s): 

Ortal Kirson-Trilling, Psy.D., is a psychologist who specializes in working with couples and individual adults. She is a graduate of the PCPG training and a post seminar candidate at PINC. She is a member of the British Society of Couple Psychotherapists and Counselors, as well as on the board of Section VIII (Psychoanalytic Couple and Family Therapy) Division 39, of the APA. She has a private practice in Oakland.

Co-Sponsor Information: 

The Psychoanalytic Couple Psychotherapy Group is dedicated to bringing modern psychoanalytic ideas to bear in working with couples. It began as a three-year training course through NCSPP with the Tavistock Centre for Couple Relationships in London. Some members of the original group have continued to study and train together as the PCPG, which has become a Bay Area locus for education, training, and study in psychoanalytic psychotherapy with couples. 

PCPG offers an intensive study program in psychoanalytic couples psychotherapy: “Making Meaning in the Grip Of Reality.” The program features a rich array of theoretical classes, case conferences, film events, and workshops, taught by a hybrid faculty from PCPG, Tavistock Center for Couple Relationships (TCCR), and other noteworthy psychoanalytic couple psychotherapists. PCPG’s first class of nine students has just completed a three-year program of study, which included  a week of classes at TCCR in London. 

Target Audience & Level: 

This course is for mental health clinicians of all experience levels in clinical work with some background in the principles of psychoanalytic approaches.

Cancellation & Refund Policies: 

Enrollees who cancel at least SEVEN DAYS prior to the event date will receive a refund minus a $35 administrative charge. No refunds will be allowed after this time.  Transfer of registrations are not allowed.

Contact Information: 

For program related questions contact Garrett Howard at garretthowardmft@gmail.com or 510-982-1280.

For questions related to enrollment, locations, CE credit, special needs, course availability and other administrative issues contact Michele McGuinness by email or 415-496-9949.

Program Committee

The Program Committee is responsible for the Annual Lecture and for the presentation of various Scientific Meetings. The Annual Lecture is given by an internationally known analyst, while the Scientific Meetings generally feature the work of local psychoanalysts and others who are developing new ways of thinking about psychoanalysis.

Jeremy Mintz, Psy.D., Chair
Danni Biondini, MA
Geetali Chitre
Danielle Dunchok, Psy.D.
Justine Leichtling, Psy.D.